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Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:24 am
by NORTON
Never pursued it further.
Rechecked and amazon still shows it fits, even though it's a 14".?? There is a lot of caliper clearance. It's the offset that is critical.
I found another wheelset that I'm running now. They're really light, 0.5" wider and I have 195/50-15 on them.
I have the bare stock wheels waiting for me to do something.... I know as soon as I buy winter tires it won't snow or ice again,, forever....

Also, I rarely get more than 50 miles from home, and I have AAA (for my hoopty gasser which the GF uses and we use it for road trips).
Do I really need to carry a spare? How could it be secured in the back?

I had one slow leak in 43k miles with this car. It was in the sidewall/tread zone and Tirerack was great about getting me a quick replacement.
I think I'll stay the course.

Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:42 am
by TheLondonBroiler
Thank you for the speedy reply Norton!

Stevon had said he'd "I'll let you know after I order it, test it and post it here." so I was hoping for his input as well.

I've only had my driver's license 15 years, but I've had about a half dozen or so experiences requiring the use of a spare (call me lucky I guess). I'm set to take delivery of a 2015 Spark EV next Saturday, so I am seriously exploring options.

I appreciate the input and I follow up should I find a good option.

Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:01 am
by TheLondonBroiler
I am NOT recommending anyone do the following but it's my spare tire solution. Back in February/March, I bought a Ford spare tire (125/80r15 tire on a 4x108 rim) with a jack and tire iron for $20 from some dude on facebook marketplace. While I knew the rim wasn't correct, the tire was almost a perfect size, it was in like new condition, and both the tire iron and jack worked great too. So I've had this setup sitting in my garage since, and hadn't done anything with it until today.

I wasn't having much luck in my search for a 4x100 15" rim with the proper bore (56.6mm) at a reasonable price, and I was thinking of buying one with a smaller than needed bore, then having it machined (or enlarged with a sanding cone), but this morning my El Cheapo conscious decided that nobody was probably going to buy my spare 4x108 rim, so what do I have to lose by elongating the lug holes by 4mm each and seeing if it would mount decently? And it did. I used a conical grinding bit to taper the lug holes.

Again, I DO NOT RECOMMEND DOING THIS

Everything looked satisfactory to me to test drive it. I put it on the back and even though the bore on the rim was a bit larger than necessary, the gap was even all the way around, maybe off somewhere to the tune of less than .005" (not visible to the eye). I drove for 6 miles with no problems or noticeable difference (up to 55mph, full size tire stowed behind my seat, which could still travel to the rear-most position). I then did the same with the spare installed in the front. Again, no problems, regen worked fine.

After all the excitement, and returning wheels to their respective places, I got started finding a place for my jack and tire iron. With a dremel tool, I crudely created spaces in the foam under carpet in the hatch (the bottle of tire goo actually has the surround foam cut all the way through so it actually rests on the sound deadening material below.

I promised I'd share a "good" solution, but this, even though it works, is a bit half baked. With the proper rim, a storage bag for it, a way to secure it (not just the seat retaining it), a hot knife/wire to cut the foam, and a good bit of skill, it could be the best solution possible.

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I'm guessing the spare came from a late 2000's something Focus (I guessed 2008)

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Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:04 am
by NORTON
TheLondonBroiler wrote:...Again, I DO NOT RECOMMEND DOING THIS
But it will get the job done !! 8-)
Just drive easy and get the tire fixed.
With a Spark EV you usually aren't that far from home. But with the growing DCFC network,,, who knows... :D

The one time I got a flat in a Volt, it was a loaner Volt (bc mine was giving the local techs a hard time), and it was Sunday afternoon at the Lake of the Ozarks. 140 miles from home.
I have a video of the white goo spurting out onto the gravel drive at the Lake House.
So, Monday morning a tow truck hauls it and me to a local Chevy dealer 35 miles away and fortunately they had a tire in stock.
It didn't cost me anything, except for burning an extra day of vacation time.

I did get a small leak in the edge of the sidewall on my Spark EV. It looked like a piece of bone. Really new tire. Wasn't repairable.
Tirerack sent a replacement quickly and I limped with the slow leak for a few days. I didn't pull out the white goo that time.

So Chit does happen......

Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:55 am
by Kermit
We are about to purchase a Spark EV and would like the spare tire for piece of mind. I had a couple questions on logistics of this if anyone can help.

Could you order a compact spare tire that fits the rear and carry around a wheel spacer in case it needed to go on the front?
Or if a front tire goes flat a rear tire could be put on the front (with the spacer) and the spare used on the rear?

Also are there any tie down anchors in the back of the car that would allow the tire to be secured to the car in some way?

Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you

Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:22 pm
by TheLondonBroiler
Kermit wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:55 am
are there any tie down anchors in the back of the car that would allow the tire to be secured to the car in some way?
There are two mounting points on the inside of the cargo area, inside the red ovals. I use the mechanism that secures the seat upright, with a strap through it (blue ovals), to "secure" mine.
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That's all I really have a decent answer for. Hopefully someone knowledgeable can chime in with solid answers to your other questions, but I wouldn't hold my breath. In the era of plentiful roadside service, no hardly anyone seems to care about spares.... until they get a flat while out and about.

Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:16 pm
by Kermit
Thanks for your help on the tie down locations. I'm planning on trying one of the spare tire kits from Ebay to see if it works on our cars but I am a bit nervous that it is a 14" rim. It appears the calipers are the same part number as the ICE version so I'm hoping it fits. I'll post any updates on if it fits or not or if a spacer is required.

Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:31 am
by NORTON
Kermit wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:16 pm
... but I am a bit nervous that it is a 14" rim. It appears the calipers are the same part number as the ICE version so I'm hoping it fits. ..
Calipers may be the same but the hub face may be in a different location.
Something is up with the different wheels front and rear.
What happens when the 14" doesn't fit?
The spacers are a good idea! Just remember lug nut thread engagement. And it must be on the rear, as you said.

London has a solution. A temporary solution, as would be your spacer/spare idea.

But then you have that spare taking up all that room in the back. I'm pretty sure the little S-box is quieter with the hatch cover in place and it definitely doesn't look as hoopty as having that spare sticking up in the air for all to see..... ;)

I had one slow leak in the 4 yrs of ownership and I was able to see that leak coming and made plans to get to a tire shop.

My solution?
AAA - $114 per year, 2 people, 3 cars, Up to four 100 mile tows per year, free delivery of fuel for my gassers, 'extrication' for when I slide on the ice into the ditch, locksmith service, spare tire service ( for her in the cars that have a spare. ( Plus you can help friends and family,,,, don't tell...). 8-)

(A much better value than Onstar with their Basic plan, which now has a different name, and was about $200 per year.
All I want is the basics a BEV owner needs. They don't offer that.
During the 4+ years I had the free plan it was never consistent. I had to call and get it working several times, the phone txt number it used to notify me changed often and the last time I saw it while it was still working the txt came in as a a 'spam' and I never got txt msgs again.....
But,,, my Remote Precondition function still works on the app!
It's due to end this month and I'm not calling to complain about the txt msg function not working.) :roll:

Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:13 am
by Kermit
Norton thanks for your advice.
I ended up ordering a spark jack and tire tool with carrying bag as well as a spare tire from a Chevy Cobalt which happens to have a 15" Rim with the 4x100 bolt pattern (not all Cobalts had this bolt pattern though some had a 5 lug setup so if anyone goes this route do your research.) The Cobalt stock wheel size is: 6Jx15 ET42 with a 195/65R15 tire with a 57.1 center bore. Compared to the Spark EVs Front: 6Jx15 ET45 with a 185/55R15 tire and Rear: 6.5Jx15 ET54 with a 195/55R15 and a 56.6 center bore. The only issue I see may be the offset being 3mm less. I will confirm if this is an issue when I receive everything and test it out in the next couple of weeks.
I opted for the 15 inch rim because it would be easier to have a rim that can go on the front or rear in case I'm stuck somewhere changing a tire and I didn't want to take the extra time to swap wheels.

The spacers are a bit of a concern for me too if they were going to have to be over 5mm due to stud length and what is required to install them.

I do think closing the rear cover is a good point that I did not consider.
Upon digging deeper in this forum I saw someone did get a 14" Aveo spare tire on the rear of their car which may allow the rear cover to be closed when stowed in the back. (It's a full inch in diameter smaller than what I ordered.)
I'm hoping I can just keep the tire partially deflated so it fits since the car will still have the inflation kit in case of a flat tire.

I've had to use a spare only three times in over 2 decades of driving but was happy when I had it so I could get it changed and back on the road. I always assume worst case scenario and being somewhere where I can't fix it and have to wait for a tow truck to tow me to a tire shop that may be closed or not have a replacement tire on hand and have to wait for the shop to open or order a new tire. With this being a city/commuting car it somewhat relieves that stress for me but having the spare gives me that extra peace of mind.

The road side assistance you mentioned does not seem like a bad option and I can see why many have and will choose that as their only option in the case of a flat tire.

I'll post photos of everything that I was unable to get photos of for anyone else doing this research.

Re: Spare Tire?

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:51 pm
by Kermit
The 2005-2010 Chevy Cobalt 4 bolt 15" spare tire works for our cars on the front and back and can fit in the back of the car and the lid close if you want it to (see below.) Be careful if you decide to order a cobalt spare tire as they also made a 5 bolt model that does not work with our cars. The one that I purchased was a 4x100 T115 70D15 Center bore is 57.1mm (56.6 for the Spark EV)
I also purchased a 2011-2016 Chevy Spark Jack and lug wrench set.
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Photo of how close the bore is.
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This photo is with it installed on the front.
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Photo from the back showing plenty of caliper clearance.
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Photo of the jacking point with the jack in place (looking towards the outside of the car.)
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The jack and lug nut could fit where the EVSE goes nice and snug but the tire would not fit with the foam in place.
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I removed the foam since it only held small objects and underneath was just sound absorbing material and under that metal body panels. (No electronics back there like in our Gen 2 Volt.)
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This is the trunk with the foam insert removed, sound absorbing mat still installed and the floor cover over that. Removing the foam thing alone gives you another ~4" of trunk depth. The cover is about an inch or two smaller than the floor but the back fabric part of the seats covers this gap nicely.
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Spare tire strapped to folding seat anchors and the lid closes. I did deflate the tire when attempting different installation places but it appears it will fit in this configuration fully inflated.
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Spare tire installed, and storage bin with air pump, jack, tire iron, jumper cables, ice scraper, emergency blanket, extra headrest where booster seat is installed and snow/ice windshield cover.
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It would be neat if there was a threaded anchor within the back of the 60 portion of the seat so a strap wouldn't be required.

I hope the photos can help others.