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Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:06 pm
by ZNuts
So, up here in the Northwest I been looking for a short in-town EV. Leaf are everywhere but the style is ... yikes.

Long story but I have my eyes on the Spark now. There are about 5 or 6 within an hour distance, all about $8k-$10k range. There's one I like but the range as shown is also the worst at 55max but I also notice whoever been test driving were rough on it at less than 3mi/kwh on the history page.

Weird thing I notice too is one of the 2014 available with 60k miles also have the best range as shown. I know 2014 got a different battery but I haven't read anything about it being "better".

What do you all think? I'm tempted to low ball one of these since they been sitting in the dealer's lot for months and are not moving.

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:43 am
by NORTON
ZNuts wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:06 pm
.... I'm tempted to low ball one of these since they been sitting in the dealer's lot for months and are not moving.
That is definitely how you start the game!
Good Luck!
Pace yourself.
Don't believe anything a car salesman says.

Ask for a picture of the open charge door. You want the $750 optional DCFC. You don't want to tell those dogs that.

My '14 with 83k miles is doing great!
I saw 80 mile range on the GOM after a recent charge to full.
The battery cell manufacturer changed after '14. They switched to the same cells at the Volt, I think.
I'm not sure if there is a big difference in how they age.

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:06 pm
by ZNuts
thanks for the tips. Since it's going to be a 2nd car I'm in no hurry to get one.

I am a bit unsure of the value of the DCFC though. I'll unlikely to use it that much and even if it add a bit to the resale value, it's likely to be minimal by the time I sell it. I see others saying the same thing though but I just fail to see the value of it for me.

A few of the sales people I talked to already are jokes. I know a lot more about it then they do even after a casual research and the asking price seems to be drawn from a hat. I see one that's been on a lot for over 9 months and 2 or 3 that are sitting there for at least 3 months. Sometime they just raise or drop the price for no reason. One that started at $8k, raised to $9k, and now nearly to $10k?! It's like wtf?

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:49 am
by SparkE
Do you know somebody that has a Spark EV ? I ask because a useful thing to know is "how much battery capacity is left", and you can get an exact figure using an OBD reader and an app for your phone. BUT, you need to download the app and configure it, and to do that for the Spark, you'd need to practice ... on a Spark EV.

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:23 pm
by ZNuts
Yes, I got Torque Pro installed on my Samsung tablet and got the Bolt csv file but I'm a bit confused on what parameter to look for when determining battery capacity.

Is it the "Bat Cap Est(kwh)?

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:40 pm
by Chris101
FWIW, we had 2 2014 Spark EVs *have 2 Bolts now in case you are wondering.

Neither of our Spark EV cars had DCFC. I was able to sell them both- it did take slightly longer because so many people think they must have DCFC because its what everyone told them to get. Its like those people who won't buy a car unless it has a sunroof--- but then never use it... lol

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:20 pm
by RSC
ZNuts wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:23 pm
Yes, I got Torque Pro installed on my Samsung tablet and got the Bolt csv file but I'm a bit confused on what parameter to look for when determining battery capacity.

Is it the "Bat Cap Est(kwh)?
Yes, that's what I'm using.

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:50 pm
by ZNuts
Well, just an update. Went to look at that one I wanted today, the est battery capacity according to Torque Pro is 14.5kwh. That's a 2015 with 25k miles. To me, that's alarm bells going off.

I told the sales guy I'm willing to take a chance at a low enough price which I stated and he said, sure, let's sit down and "work it out". At that point I say nice to meet you, bye.

Stopped by another dealer nearby and the one they had got taken to the auction today.

the journey continues.

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:13 pm
by Zpoole27
from reading almost everything there is on this car online, ive concluded that theres a big possiblity that the 2014 battery is superior in withstanding degradation.

Its hard to say though, considering the variables of where the car has been (really hot climate, drained fully often or stored fully charged for long periods).

My 2014 is at 65000km with 16.8kwh down from 17.7 when I got it at 50000km.

The 2015s seem to be the worst at consistently 13-15.5kwh.

Re: Looking.. and looking.. for my first EV

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:49 am
by NORTON
Here's some of my resent data points on my '14:

miles - date- - - display #'s - - calc kWh
81697 -6-12-20 -58% -10.2 -17.59
82314 -6-29-20 -81% -14.0 -17.28
81557 -6-9-20 -61% -10.9 -17.87
83298 -7-23-20 -63% -11.1 -17.62

This little EV is doing so well I hate talking about it. I might jinx something.... 8-)

I have the DCFC which I rarely use. Airport runs, or really long days in the saddle. Both are rare, these days especially. :cry:
I can see how it would suit most without it, but I definitely don't think it effects battery life.