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Sutteyo

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I am a new Spark owner in Oregon and could not find ANY compatible fastcharge stations in my area, or along I-5 which is the main freeway across the State.

There is a whole network of ones for Japanese made cars, but not for Chevy. Ugh. From what I read, there is a "pissing match" between US/German automakers and the Japanese automakers.

Yes, there are DC charging stations, but who has 10 hours to wait for charging on a trip.

So a link to the level 2 charging stations is not entirely helpful.

Can anyone please identify where there are any fast charge stations in Oregon or California?
 
Use www.plugshare.com and under the options menu, change the plug type to SAE combo. There are currently 7 chargers in Oregon. Don't know if/when the electric highway along the i5 will be updated to include the new standard. I hope they add some soon, as I'd like to take a trip through Oregon this December.
 
xylhim said:
Use http://www.plugshare.com and under the options menu, change the plug type to SAE combo. There are currently 7 chargers in Oregon. Don't know if/when the electric highway along the i5 will be updated to include the new standard. I hope they add some soon, as I'd like to take a trip through Oregon this December.

Thanks for the info.

Is the SAE combo the quick 20 minute charger? I thought that was the J1772?
 
Yes, SAE combo is the fastest charging available for the Spark. The J1772 is the level 2 charging standard that uses the onboard charger, and takes 6-7 hours for a full charge. DC fast charging uses an external charger and bypasses the onboard system. Note that not all DC fast charging stations run at the full capacity of the DC fast charging standard, so an 80% charge in 20 minutes is not always possible.
 
DC fast charging system standards IEC 61851-23 gives the requirements for International "DC chargers" and provides the general requirements for the control communication between a DC fast charger and an EV. IEC 62851-24 defines digital communication between a DC fast charger and an EV.

Here are the approved protocols used around the world:

1) CHAdeMO (IEC System A)

2) GB/T (IEC System B)

3) SAE CCS COMBO1 (IEC System C)

4) Menekkes CCS COMBO2 (IEC System C)

5) Tesla Supercharger (not recognized by IEC)

6) Chameleon (not recognized by IEC, AC only for Renault cars, 43kW)


Neither GB/T nor Menekkes CCS-Combo2 are offered outside of their home markets of China and Europe respectively


USA Quick Charge data, sometimes colloquially referred to as "L3"

1. SAE CCS Combo1, or "J1772 DC" - approximately 23 in the USA (and worldwide)
http://standards.sae.org/j1772_201210/
up to 100kW eventually, limited to 25 -50kW currently
Uses a different plug in Europe (Menekkes CCS Combo2) than the plug used in USA

EVs compatible include:

*GM Spark EV - about 1000 cars
*BMW i3 - 3000 cars sold in USA through 1 Oct 2014
*VW eGolf (coming 2014)



2. CHAdeMO - 4241 worldwide, 731 in the USA (7 Oct2014), adding about 2 per day
http://www.chademo.com
up to 100kW eventually, currently limited to 62.5kW
Uses the same plug worldwide

EVs compatible with CHAdeMO include:

*Nissan LEAF - over 60,000 in the USA and over 140,000 worldwide
*Nissan e-NV200 (coming 2015)
*Citroen C-Zero - not sold in USA
*Citroën Berlingo - not sold in USA
*Mitsubishi i-MiEV - over 30,000 worldwide with its variants C-Zero & iON
*Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (coming 2015)
*Mitsubishi Fuso Canter truck
*Peugeot iON - not sold in USA
*Peugeot Partner - not sold in USA
*Kia Soul EV (coming Oct 2014)
*ZERO motorcycles
*Tesla except Roadster with Tesla supplied adaptor



3. Supercharger - over 200 worldwide, 120 stations in the USA, each with 4-8 stalls, growing fast
http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger
up to 135kW eventually, currently limited at some sites to 120kW
Uses a different plug in Europe than the one used in North America and Japan

EVs compatible with Supercharger include:

*Tesla only, except Roadster - 55,000 worldwide


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Sutteyo said:
I am a new Spark owner in Oregon and could not find ANY compatible fastcharge stations in my area, or along I-5 which is the main freeway across the State.

There is a whole network of ones for Japanese made cars, but not for Chevy. Ugh. From what I read, there is a "pissing match" between US/German automakers and the Japanese automakers.

Yes, there are DC charging stations, but who has 10 hours to wait for charging on a trip.

So a link to the level 2 charging stations is not entirely helpful.

Can anyone please identify where there are any fast charge stations in Oregon or California?
Although others have covered various aspects, you might want to read the posts at least on the first page of this link:

http://www.mychevysparkev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3643
 
^^^
Yes, and and one can use http://www.mychevysparkev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5947#p5947 to find SAE Combo DC FCs.

The North American variant of SAE Combo is sometimes aka J1772 CCS.
Sutteyo said:
I am a new Spark owner in Oregon and could not find ANY compatible fastcharge stations in my area, or along I-5 which is the main freeway across the State.

There is a whole network of ones for Japanese made cars, but not for Chevy. Ugh. From what I read, there is a "pissing match" between US/German automakers and the Japanese automakers.
Works on Korean cars (Kia Soul EV has CHAdemo inlet standard) and American too (Tesla Model S with http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s/products/chademo-adapter, whenever that finally ships in the US). That adapter has been shipping in Japan for Model S owners there for awhile already.
 
cwerdna said:
^^^
Yes, and and one can use http://www.mychevysparkev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5947#p5947 to find SAE Combo DC FCs.

The North American variant of SAE Combo is sometimes aka J1772 CCS.
Sutteyo said:
I am a new Spark owner in Oregon and could not find ANY compatible fastcharge stations in my area, or along I-5 which is the main freeway across the State.

There is a whole network of ones for Japanese made cars, but not for Chevy. Ugh. From what I read, there is a "pissing match" between US/German automakers and the Japanese automakers.
Works on Korean cars (Kia Soul EV has CHAdemo inlet standard) and American too (Tesla Model S with http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s/products/chademo-adapter, whenever that finally ships in the US). That adapter has been shipping in Japan for Model S owners there for awhile already.
Note that the post cwerdna linked to is out of date, as Plugshare corrected the bug that had listed CCS stations under "Public Stations" instead of "High Power Stations". Be sure to select only "High Power Stations" (and "In Use Stations" if you wish,) and after clicking on "More Options" or on the 'gear wheel' icon, deselect everything except "SAE Combo DCFC" when checking the map for CCS chargers.
 
cwerdna said:
Sutteyo said:
There is a whole network of ones for Japanese made cars, but not for Chevy.
Works on Korean cars (Kia Soul EV has CHAdemo inlet standard) and American too... Tesla Model S

CHAdeMO also works on German cars. All BMW i3's shipped to Japan have a CHAdeMO port.

The CCS Combo1 DC fast charge port used is used by EXACTLY two models of cars in the USA: the GM Chevy Spark EV (with "about 1000" sold with that capability) and the BMW i3 (about 3000 now in the USA).

That's it.
 
TonyWilliams said:
cwerdna said:
Sutteyo said:
There is a whole network of ones for Japanese made cars, but not for Chevy.
Works on Korean cars (Kia Soul EV has CHAdemo inlet standard) and American too... Tesla Model S

CHAdeMO also works on German cars. All BMW i3's shipped to Japan have a CHAdeMO port.

The CCS Combo1 DC fast charge port used is used by EXACTLY two models of cars in the USA: the GM Chevy Spark EV (with "about 1000" sold with that capability) and the BMW i3 (about 3000 now in the USA).

That's it.
Yep. http://news.bmw.co.jp/press/2013/11/13a.html (can be run thru Google/Bing Translate for confirmation) and http://insideevs.com/bmw-i3-gets-chademo-charged-japan/.

Actually, now Combo1 works on the VW e-Golf, as well. 1 was sold in the US last month: http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/.
 
Thanks for the info.

Is it possible to have Spark compatible fastcharge station installed at home or at work? I have an office here in Southern Oregon and would be interested in options of getting one installed here for my own use, and the use of others. Are there any "turn key" companies that would come in and do that? Of course, I would only want to do this if it had a fastcharge for the Chevy Spark.
 
The only option I see, is if you contact ChargePoint, who is coming into partnership with BMW to install low cost fast charging stations with SAE combo ports. The cost of the station itself is slated at about 6K, but installation costs will run that price up significantly more. Maybe if you had enough people at work interested, plus the company's support, you might be able to pull the funds necessary to pull it off. Let us know if you can go through with it, because you'd be the first!

http://www.chargepoint.com/express
 
Workplace charging should normally be L2 or L1, not QC, unless you foresee customers frequently driving long distances and staying for short periods of time, or your company just wants to do something for PEVs generally. You can put in several more L2s or a huge number of L1s for the price of a single QC, not to mention the demand charges for electricity that most QCs require (the BMW one may not trigger a demand requirement for some utilities). There are workplaces that have installed QCs, but it's usually because there was a government grant paying for it. For daily commuting QCs are unnecessary, and it makes more sense to put in several L2/L1 instead for the employees.
 
gra's comments are spot on.
xylhim said:
The only option I see, is if you contact ChargePoint, who is coming into partnership with BMW to install low cost fast charging stations with SAE combo ports. The cost of the station itself is slated at about 6K, but installation costs will run that price up significantly more. Maybe if you had enough people at work interested, plus the company's support, you might be able to pull the funds necessary to pull it off. Let us know if you can go through with it, because you'd be the first!

http://www.chargepoint.com/express
Do notice that per http://www.chargepoint.com/files/BMW_i_DC_fast_charger_datasheet.pdf, that $6,548 for hardware only is "BMW subsidized price for BMW Centers and authorized partners".

http://www.mychevysparkev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3753&start=0 can give you an idea of the cost to install a DC FC. Replace the hardware cost of Fuji's CHAdeMO DC FC w/the above and consider the installation costs will be similar.

I've mentioned some names of SAE Combo DC FC manufacturers at http://www.mychevysparkev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3860&p=9090#p9090.
 
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