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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:37 am 
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Zoomit wrote:
Sounds like you're in a hard spot. We switched to the SoCal Edison Time of Use rate when we got the Spark and our electricity bill has gone down. That has been an unexpected surprise.


We did the same and ended up net producers of electricity for our net metering billing year (solar panels). I got a check from SoCalEd. Our Spark EV has never been charged anywhere except at home. For the billing year before our Spark EV we owed them money.


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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:26 pm 
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Location: San Diego
Finally found the PHEV I want, The Golf GTE
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There was a wagon version seen in San Francisco: http://insideevs.com/volkswagen-golf-gt ... francisco/
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Reviews/Videos
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/201 ... gte-review
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/09/2016 ... ve-review/
http://www.cnet.com/videos/part-hot-hat ... -golf-gte/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... r8pRE#t=37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US5lFYY20n8

Specs as follows:

Propulsion 150hp four-cyl gasoline engine
EV Power 102hp electric motor
Total Power 204hp (electric vs ICE HP is different and doesn't add up 1 to 1)
Transmission DQ400E six-speed dual-clutch auto
CO2 emissions 35g/km (Europe)
Drivetrain Front-wheel drive
0-60mph 7.6 seconds
Top speed 135mph (81mph in e-mode)
Seats 5
Cargo volume 14.2 cu. ft.
Electric range 31 miles
Range total 580 miles
240V charge* 3.5 hours
Fuel efficiency 188mpg (Europe)
Regional Availability Europe (not in USA) :(
MSRP $39,000 est.
Release Date August 2014

Finally find a car I want but it's not available here, they are selling well in Europe. After Vdub's Diesel debacle I think they need another green image car to sell here!

[quote="stevon"]I have a 2015 Spark EV with DCFC CCS option. Purchased the car while I was a foot loose bachelor but things have changed. Looks like I'll be married next spring with an instant family to boot. Don't get me wrong, I love my Spark but a new life style and a few charging incidents have made me consider trading in the Spark for a PHEV. With the Spark at it's highest trade in price now and my $10K tax break (I qualify) I could do that today for a Ford Fusion Energi or Plug in Toyota Prius or 2015 Honda Accord (discontinued this year). other considerations:
pure EV only mode range for available PHEVs:

Fusion Energi - 19 miles
Prius PHEV - 11 miles
Accord PHEV - 11 miles
Sonata PHEV - 27 miles (not available yet)
Volt ver 1 - 38 miles
Volt ver 2 - 53 miles

I still want at least some EV only mode. Any advice?


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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:41 pm 
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I think among the many reasons not to import the GTE to the US is that they are already bringing in the Audi A3 e-tron with the same drive train which has a higher potential for profit. Why decide to dilute a limited market with a competing car? The argument "to be nice guys and make less profit" probably doesn't go over well at stockholder meetings in Wolfsburg.
Stephen


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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:54 am 
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Found out that the Audi A3 E-tron and Golf GTE respectively get about the same EV range of 21 miles in the real world, basically the same as the C-Max or Fusion Energi. So there is no reason to pay the premium for a euro car! The A3 and GTE range of 31 EV only miles seems to be exaggerated in Europe due to their testing methods. Checked out the 2016 VOLT ,it looks great still is a tad too small for my needs.


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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:12 am 
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stevon wrote:
a tad too small for my needs.

It's too bad the Chrysler EPIC minivan wasn't brought to market. (http://insideevs.com/chrysler-epic-elec ... 999-video/)
Perhaps the current EV resurgence may bring us one now? If in 1999 they got 80-90mi on NiMH, imagine how much you'd get with LiIon today! (I'd estimate about double.)


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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:22 am 
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Pegasus,
If I had a gagle of kids or volunteered to do the church driving I might be in the market for a minivan, but I still want a somewhat "sexy" car after owning the 95 NSX for 10 years. I'm thinking used Fusion Energi Titanium, red body, tan gut, sunroof, etc. FOR A PHEV, they sold at lot of these :)

Pegasus wrote:
stevon wrote:
a tad too small for my needs.

It's too bad the Chrysler EPIC minivan wasn't brought to market. (http://insideevs.com/chrysler-epic-elec ... 999-video/)
Perhaps the current EV resurgence may bring us one now? If in 1999 they got 80-90mi on NiMH, imagine how much you'd get with LiIon today! (I'd estimate about double.)


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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:47 am 
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Like most hot and heavy affairs longevity......... Old Italian mentor says "Goes a fas, dona a las"
My venture into BEV ownership has ended, at least for now. Traded in the faithful Spark for a Ford Fusion Energi Titanium model. Loaded with sun roof, Keyless Start, Heated and Cooled power Leather Seats, ceramic color interior, Back-Up Camera, Ford my "SYNC", Hands-free calling, Active park assist, Driver assist package, Navigation, Adaptive cruise control, on and on.... Does everything but wipe my butt! What a game changer, Sub compact econo box to a Jaguar saloon!
Spent about a month debating and searching for the right Fusion Energi for me. With Black Friday "Friends and Neighbors" incentives going on this weekend, locked down a deal and closed. See a similar car here:
http://ranchofordtemecula.com/Southern- ... /44557113/
Negotiated my best deal online and was able to get a quote that worked for me in writing at Sunrise Ford in Fontana, CA. No ford dealer in San Diego was willing to do that. Sunrise did that for me and I was able to find a car that I wanted in stock. Drove my Spark EV to it's limit from Mission Hills to Temecula (75miles) and planned to recharge there before the last leg to Fontana. I was charging Spark EV at the Gosch Ford dealer in Temecula. They had Fusion Energi models in stock, while waiting, browsed their inventory and found a model I liked. Negotiated with them and with a written offer in hand, got an even better deal than Sunrise was willing to do. It saved me 4 more hours of waiting for re-charge to complete and a 50 mile trip north!
This was a great deal of work to get a great deal on a Fusion Energi Titanium w/wanted color, options, trade in Spark EV, pay off loan ($27,700) and keep the same payments + $34 on lease as the loan! Quite a process, no compromises, finished, done. I'm happy with my deal, no buyers doubt like on the Spark EV purchase.
The way I see it I didn't really get burned too bad financially and limited my losses
$ 28,000 Paid initially
$ -7,500 Fed tax incentives for Spark 2015
$ -2,500 State tax incentives for Spark 2015
$-13,500 Trade in
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$ 4500 loss for 7 months use or $642.86 a month
$17,280 New $0 down, closed lease cost to me ($480 x 36) or $480.00 a month
Of course I had to pay the losses up front $15k . Will get my income taxes done on time for the first time for 2015 with the rebate motivation!


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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:19 pm 
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I don't think you qualify for the state EV incentive since you don't satisfy the 30 month ownership requirement.

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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:07 am 
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ImTedBell
I don't have to wait 7.5 years to receive a rebate for a 2015 car do I? doesn't sound right to me, will look into it
ImTedBell wrote:
I don't think you qualify for the state EV incentive since you don't satisfy the 30 month ownership requirement.


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 Post subject: Re: To trade in Spark or not?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:51 pm 
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You don't have to wait 7.5 years. The rebate had a stipulation of minimum ownership length.

As always, there is the policy and what they actually do in practice.

Rebate recipients who do not retain the eligible vehicle for the full 30-month ownership or lease period will be required to reimburse ARB all or part of
the original rebate amount.
-Vehicle purchaser or lessee is required to notify the Administrator to arrange for early termination of vehicle ownership in advance of intent to
sell or terminate a lease prior to the required 30-month ownership period.
-ARB will periodically check vehicle identification numbers with vehicle registrations to ensure that CVRP applicants meet this requirement. If
an applicant violates this requirement, ARB or its designee reserves the right to recoup CVRP funds from the original vehicle purchaser
identified on the rebate application form and may pursue other remedies available under the law

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