NickSP
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Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:54 pm

I hope this great forum can help me. A friend of mine is selling his Spark EV with about 96K miles on it. He wants 3K for it. It is a 2014 model. In California the battery has a 10 year/150K mile degradation protection. Will it apply if I purchased the car?

Is it worth for 3K? Thanks.

TheLondonBroiler
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:01 pm

If the vehicle has no issues, I think that price is a steal. Is it the right vehicle for you? Only you can determine that.
2015 Spark EV w/ DCFC 46,XXX miles
Purchased 1/20/18 w/ 16,5XX miles
0-40k mile efficiency avg - 5.3 mi/kwh

2019 Bolt EV w/ DCFC 61,XXX miles
Purchased 3/16/19 w/ 87 miles
Lifetime efficiency avg - 4.6 mi/kwh

NickSP
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:30 pm

TheLondonBroiler wrote: If the vehicle has no issues, I think that price is a steal. Is it the right vehicle for you? Only you can determine that.
TheLondonBroiler wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:01 pm
If the vehicle has no issues, I think that price is a steal. Is it the right vehicle for you? Only you can determine that.
Sorry the price is 4k. I'm used to an EV. Returned a i3 at end of lease. Daily commute is 36 miles RT.
Worried about battery degradation.

TheLondonBroiler
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:01 pm

NickSP wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:30 pm

Sorry the price is 4k. I'm used to an EV. Returned a i3 at end of lease. Daily commute is 36 miles RT.
Worried about battery degradation.
$4k is still cheap IMO. I'm guessing it doesn't have DC fast charging? The onboard ac charger is 3.3kw.

From reports here and first hand experience, the Spark EV battery, while not as bad as early LEAFs, does seem to suffer from significant degradation. I got as much information as I could, reading through the forum and other resources, prior to my purchase. If I could do it again, I would have bought a Volt instead of a Spark. I like the Spark, but between the degradation, and fast chargers going offline in my region with as much driving as I do, it wasn't feasible for my needs anymore. GM EV service blows petty hard IMO, but what can you do?
2015 Spark EV w/ DCFC 46,XXX miles
Purchased 1/20/18 w/ 16,5XX miles
0-40k mile efficiency avg - 5.3 mi/kwh

2019 Bolt EV w/ DCFC 61,XXX miles
Purchased 3/16/19 w/ 87 miles
Lifetime efficiency avg - 4.6 mi/kwh

Kermit
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:02 am

$4k seems fair according to KBB assuming it has not been in an accident and is fairly good shape. Fully charge it and make sure the GOM range will work for you. If your route is on the highway vs. slower roads makes a difference.

If you can buy a bluetooth OBDII adapter a program for your phone and load the Bolt PIDs to check the battery capacity that could be helpful in making your decision. The battery may have degraded enough to be eligible for a new battery as soon as you buy it, which could make the deal even better but may be a headache depending on your dealership.

Putting the VIN into the Chevy website will tell you about the warranty. The warranty on mine is just to 100k miles but I'm not sure if that's because of the year or because I don't live in California.
2016 Spark EV
2017 Volt

NickSP
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:00 am

Kermit wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:02 am
$4k seems fair according to KBB assuming it has not been in an accident and is fairly good shape. Fully charge it and make sure the GOM range will work for you. If your route is on the highway vs. slower roads makes a difference.

If you can buy a bluetooth OBDII adapter a program for your phone and load the Bolt PIDs to check the battery capacity that could be helpful in making your decision. The battery may have degraded enough to be eligible for a new battery as soon as you buy it, which could make the deal even better but may be a headache depending on your dealership.

Putting the VIN into the Chevy website will tell you about the warranty. The warranty on mine is just to 100k miles but I'm not sure if that's because of the year or because I don't live in California.
Yes I do have the BT adapter. Which app do you want me to buy? Also the battery warranty in CA is up to 10 yrs/150k whichever comes first. Maybe someone can confirm that.
I'm thinking if I can get even 70 mile range I'm good. The car is serviced as per requirements and looks very sharp. Everything works.

NORTON
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:21 pm

NickSP wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:00 am
...I'm thinking if I can get even 70 mile range I'm good.
The car is serviced as per requirements and looks very sharp. Everything works.
I'm curious what service has been performed as claimed by the seller? Does he have a list of service documentation from a dealership?
Asking for a friend.... ;)

Don't get me wrong, sir, you are getting a bargain and won't be sorry!
Used '14 2LT w/ DCFC. +83k miles.
Mostly free charging! Only one LONG visit to the shop....
GM needs Modern Troubleshooting tools for Modern EV's.
3 step Trouble Tree, 1st try car died again, 2nd try not covered / cost $800. 3rd try fixed the problem.

Kermit
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:40 pm

NickSP wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:00 am
Kermit wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:02 am
$4k seems fair according to KBB assuming it has not been in an accident and is fairly good shape. Fully charge it and make sure the GOM range will work for you. If your route is on the highway vs. slower roads makes a difference.

If you can buy a bluetooth OBDII adapter a program for your phone and load the Bolt PIDs to check the battery capacity that could be helpful in making your decision. The battery may have degraded enough to be eligible for a new battery as soon as you buy it, which could make the deal even better but may be a headache depending on your dealership.

Putting the VIN into the Chevy website will tell you about the warranty. The warranty on mine is just to 100k miles but I'm not sure if that's because of the year or because I don't live in California.
Yes I do have the BT adapter. Which app do you want me to buy? Also the battery warranty in CA is up to 10 yrs/150k whichever comes first. Maybe someone can confirm that.
I'm thinking if I can get even 70 mile range I'm good. The car is serviced as per requirements and looks very sharp. Everything works.
Search for Torque Pro (Android) or EngineLink (iOS) on here both will give you what you need as far as battery capacity when the correct PIDS are loaded. How to do this has been covered well on here if you do a search you'll even find a helpful video from TheLondonBroiler.
2016 Spark EV
2017 Volt

NickSP
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:04 pm

The car does not have a DCFS. Bummer!

SparkE
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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:15 pm

NickSP wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:00 am
{...} the battery warranty in CA is up to 10 yrs/150k whichever comes first. Maybe someone can confirm that.
Sorry, you are mistaken. A (somewhat) common misconception. The statutory battery warranty in CA of 10 yrs/150k is for HYBRIDS . I am not going to look up the relevant code (yet again - google it if you really care). The warranty for BEVs is whatever the manufacturer says it is. I think that for a 2014 Spark EV, that is for 8 years and / or 100k miles, and guarantees less than 35% loss.

But it comes down to : does the car meet your needs? Does it barely meet you needs today? I bought my (used) Spark EV as a 2nd car, knowing I would be using it 90-95% of the time, but having an older ICE available when needed (that normally just sits in my driveway).

Edit: um, with 96k miles, you have a very small window. A strategy you may wish to pursue is to test the battery capacity (using an OBD II reader), and if more than 35% loss, immediately bring it to Chevy for a warranty repair. You might get a new battery out of the deal. $4K for a Spark EV is really cheap (IMO). Especially if you can get a refurbished (or new) battery replacement under warranty.

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