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 Post subject: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:45 pm 
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I got so fed up with Leaf, that I wrote several blog post about it. I harped on their slow charging, but latest one's specially for terms. Leafed (like Iced), and Leaf*ckers who purposely take dual head charger when perfectly good Chademo is empty next to it. What do you think? :twisted:

http://sparkev.blogspot.com/2015/10/jer ... eafed.html


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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:09 pm 
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Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. With everything that's going on in the world, this comes across as petty.

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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:01 pm 
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nikwax wrote:
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. With everything that's going on in the world, this comes across as petty.

It seems every time I need to use DCFC for intercity travel, I'm waiting for Leaf. And they always charge slower than 6kW using DCFC (Leafracked) when they could be using L2 instead. After witnessing few Leaf drivers plugging into dualhead charger when perfectly working Chademo is sitting empty (Leafrackers), I'm blowing off some steam and putting some terminology.

I can't be the only one having so many issues with Leaf, but then maybe other SparkEV drivers don't travel intercity or don't pay attention that Leaf is charging so slowly? SparkEV has completely replaced my gas car.

Something else I found is that Leaf causes AM radio interference when using DCFC while SparkEV doesn't. I don't know if this is Chademo or Leaf problem, but I hate missing "What the H did Jesse Jackson say" when charging next to Leaf.

Oh, and what I'm try to accomplish is to make the problem be known. If it affect some change so that Leaf don't hog DCFC as they are doing now, that'll be even better. Either cap free charging to 40KW or higher (60% in Leaf) or do something. Also have some way to prevent Leafrackers. Current situation is bad for everyone by having needless waiting.


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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:37 am 
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nikwax wrote:
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. With everything that's going on in the world, this comes across as petty.


Don't hate. You can say something like "with all that's going on in the world" for just about anything. "Why shower with everything going on in the world (said in sad Eore voice from Winne the Pooh)"


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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:18 pm 
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SparkevBlogspot wrote:
nikwax wrote:
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish. With everything that's going on in the world, this comes across as petty.

It seems every time I need to use DCFC for intercity travel, I'm waiting for Leaf. And they always charge slower than 6kW using DCFC (Leafracked) when they could be using L2 instead. After witnessing few Leaf drivers plugging into dualhead charger when perfectly working Chademo is sitting empty (Leafrackers), I'm blowing off some steam and putting some terminology.

I can't be the only one having so many issues with Leaf, but then maybe other SparkEV drivers don't travel intercity or don't pay attention that Leaf is charging so slowly? SparkEV has completely replaced my gas car.

Something else I found is that Leaf causes AM radio interference when using DCFC while SparkEV doesn't. I don't know if this is Chademo or Leaf problem, but I hate missing "What the H did Jesse Jackson say" when charging next to Leaf.

Oh, and what I'm try to accomplish is to make the problem be known. If it affect some change so that Leaf don't hog DCFC as they are doing now, that'll be even better. Either cap free charging to 40KW or higher (60% in Leaf) or do something. Also have some way to prevent Leafrackers. Current situation is bad for everyone by having needless waiting.


Hey man don't be over enthusiastic about your views...people don't like that here lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:21 pm 
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nozferatu wrote:
Hey man don't be over enthusiastic about your views...people don't like that here lol.

After getting Leafracked (waiting for Leaf charging at 4kW) for hours and hours and hours, I had to blow off some steam. I don't know if me making noise or just coincidence, but it has gotten lot better since. I still get Leafed (waiting for Leaf charging at 20 kW or some such), just not as often.


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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:25 pm 
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SparkevBlogspot wrote:
I got so fed up with Leaf, that I wrote several blog post about it. I harped on their slow charging, but latest one's specially for terms. Leafed (like Iced), and Leaf*ckers who purposely take dual head charger when perfectly good Chademo is empty next to it. What do you think? :twisted:


What is your objective?

Keep in mind that our Spark EVs will be the ones with tiny batteries only charging at 50 kW, hogging the DC chargers for "hours and hours and hours" in a few years time. Demonizing the Leaf, for whatever deficiencies it may have, does not seem like it will have a positive impact on anything.

When I have had to wait for other cars, nobody seemed comfortably letting their car charge much past 80% when there was someone waiting. A polite chat with the driver of the Leaf may be enlightening to both of you. Perhaps there was a reason they chose the charger they did, like the other one was busy when they arrived.

All I got out of the blog was someone ranting about having to wait their turn to use a shared resource.


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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:53 am 
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Chocula wrote:
What is your objective?

From the first post in this thread, "what I'm try to accomplish is to make the problem be known."

Chocula wrote:
Keep in mind that our Spark EVs will be the ones with tiny batteries only charging at 50 kW, hogging the DC chargers for "hours and hours and hours" in a few years time.

SparkEV might have tiny battery, but in terms of time spent at DCFC, it's quickest in the world. It's even quicker than Tesla's 120kW charger for time spent "hogging". With Bolt's 60kWh and no interest in upgrading to higher power CCS charger, SparkEV will remain quickest charging EV (least hogging EV) for years to come.

http://sparkev.blogspot.com/2015/12/spa ... world.html

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When I have had to wait for other cars, nobody seemed comfortably letting their car charge much past 80% when there was someone waiting.

I don't know where you charge, but almost all Leaf I encounter charge full 30 minutes, whether they're 80% (20kW out of 50kW) or 95% (and 2kW power out of 50kW charger). It's free for them, they don't seem to care. I do chat sometimes, but most of the time the driver is away. I mention this in the blog.

Chocula wrote:
A polite chat with the driver of the LEAF may be enlightening to both of you.

That's one of the reasons why I wrote the blog: to enlighten and make the problem be known. None of the Leaf owners were aware that they were charging so slowly. They only saw 50kW, not 4kW that they were actually charging until I pointed out.

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Perhaps there was a reason they chose the charger they did, like the other one was busy when they arrived.

Again, I address this in my blog post. I am specifically referring to those who pull into dual head charger instead of Chademo AND witnessing that.

Chocula wrote:
All I got out of the blog was someone ranting about having to wait their turn to use a shared resource.

If you don't use DCFC for intercity travel (ie, popular spots), you won't understand the frustration of waiting for Leaf after Leaf charging at 4kW (or even 2kW) while the driver is away.


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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:26 am 
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I find that 90% of the time, a little education goes a long way regarding charging etiquette. Most people literally just never thought about the specific implications of their actions on the bigger picture. Be friendly, mention that if they make X change then it will help others in different situations out, and you can practically see the light bulb in their head turn on while they have a chuckle and share the resource.

Remember, nearly every single person you encounter is driving their first EV, and many times this might be the only DC charging location or system they've used at all. They don't know the details of the charging equipment, unique standards, etc. so bear with them and welcome them to the family. Having congestion at a fast charger is a HIGH QUALITY problem which didn't exist 5 years ago. Now we have lots of EVs to choose from, different fast charging standards in use, and infrastructure to compete for...all new in the last 5 years!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Request for comment: ICED, Leafed, Leaf*cker
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:26 am 
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Nashco wrote:
....Remember, nearly every single person you encounter is driving their first EV, .... They don't know the details of the charging equipment, ..., different fast charging standards in use, ...

Too true.
So show a little patience and compassion,,, and try not to laugh !!!! :lol:

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