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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:20 pm 
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.... I was reluctant to take it in because the GOM seemed to show no anomalous behavior at least here in the CT climate and I didn't want them to zero out my accumulate average miles/Kwh... my wife is pulling away from me there as it is.

I was also reluctant to have the recall done, but since it was in the shop I had them do it so they don't have anything to lecture me about.

So you and your wife are racing to the bottom? But why? All you have to do is drive really slow.... :(
Do you have Prius owners passing you giving you the finger? :lol:

Here is a copy of the spread sheet I use to log "The Dreaded Battery Degradation".
You need to start now to see if things are different after the recall SW update. I take 3 pics at shut down when >50% charge was used.
Then on a boring day I'll do data entry....

EDIT: Sorry, need to find a better way to share this thing....

Note:
It needs the '%' sign after the number you enter for '% Used'. Sometimes it does it automatically.
% of original Capacity is based on 19.5 kWh. (Can't remember where I finally found that...)

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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:48 pm 
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Thanks for the spread sheet. I work as a teacher and during most of the year (except for summer) I drive the car to about 70-85% discharge every work day 72 mile round commute (my wife has a shorter 55 mile commute 50-65% discharge each day). We do Jekyll and Hyde driving (particularly me during the winter) on the commute we drive conservatively for range but at the weekend the traction control light get to blink and the Prius guys have to use their finger for a different reason. My battery capacity measurements to date have been sporadic I started with reading around 17.2 -17.6 (when I first got the car new) and now at 25 kmiles I'm getting 16.5-16.8. Both cars have DCFC but neither of us have ever used anything except level 2 charging so the batteries have been babied in that regard.

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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:59 am 
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PhilPen wrote:
Thanks for the spread sheet.....

Is this spreadsheet working for others?

I tried opening the link and it gave some 'trash' msg, but when I got past that the spreadsheet works !

It is does the calculations when you put in displayed % used and kWh used. Just press enter with each input.

I hope others start using and posting results here , just so we know if our cars are acting normal

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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:23 pm 
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My car is still displaying nice and big numbers for range after a charge! :D

As for my dealer testing my 12 V battery (with a loose post clamp) and telling me it is dying soon,,, well.
I gave it an aviation Capacity Test and it was in great shape.
While I was testing it I used this for a few days, which turned into over 3 weeks:

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I see no reason to have a big expensive battery in this car, unless, you routinely leave it parked for 2-3 weeks at a time, then maybe the cell phone and key fob receivers might bring it down.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I'll be putting the stock 4 year old battery back in soon,, some weekend.... And I will need this motorcycle battery soon in my Triumph Daytona.

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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:45 am 
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NORTON wrote:
My car is still displaying nice and big numbers for range after a charge! :D

As for my dealer testing my 12 V battery (with a loose post clamp) and telling me it is dying soon,,, well.
I gave it an aviation Capacity Test and it was in great shape.
While I was testing it I used this for a few days, which turned into over 3 weeks:

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I see no reason to have a big expensive battery in this car, unless, you routinely leave it parked for 2-3 weeks at a time, then maybe the cell phone and key fob receivers might bring it down.

Gotta love creative engineering! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:46 am 
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BAD UPDATE:
It's not funny the second time.

I did the same exact early morning airport run I did a month ago, dropping off the GF at the airport then stopped at a DCFC for an ~8 minute pit stop.
Tap the CP card to start the DCFC.
Tap the CP card to stop the charge when I had about a 15 mile buffer to my work, about 70% SOC.
Got back in the car.
Powered up, released E-brake, selected D and NO GO PEDAL response.
WTH, Over?

Called Onstar and had it towed to the exact same dealer.
I called Onstar while waiting for the tow truck to get CEL code but was given some run around and the truck arrived so I hung up.

Also, this time it does this funny power up on its own after you power it down. The second time it stays powered down. The service writer witnessed this

SIDE NOTE:
I still had the 12V motorcycle battery installed.
So after the shuttle guy dropped me off at home, I grabbed the original battery and parked my Element in front of my dead Spark EV and did a quick switch-a-roo with the batteries! .... That was close.... :lol: :roll:

Wish me luck.
This needs to escalate beyond the local tech and get the mother ship involved.
I know when I get it back this time I will go directly to the closest DCFC unit and repeat the same routine. All the DCFC units in town are the same brand.

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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:07 am 
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I always keep my obd2 bluetooth adapter plugged in and can read trouble codes via Torque (although its primary use now is to look at other vehicle data) . You may want to consider doing the same (you can even do this with the free torque lite app).

I hope this gets resolved sooner than later, and look forward to hearing about the fix.

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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:26 am 
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I have Torque Pro and used it on my Volt but never got the two different OBS2/BT adapters that I have to talk to the car and play nice.
I have to figure out how to get the pids into my phone also.... :|

I really want to see all the data that you guys are getting!!

Geez, the title of this thread is now wrong.... :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:00 am 
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UPDATE:

It appears the state of the art trouble shooting is to tell the customer they want to 'Try' an airbag module replacement this time,
even though it is not part of the Power Train, it can take out the Power Train and they charge the customer $800 even if it does not fix the problem.

There is a 2 yr. warranty on this airbag module but the service manager is being cagey about if it goes bad immediately the next time the car is charge at a DCFC unit will it be covered.

And then if it goes bad what's the next part they want to throw at it.
They tell me 'This is at the top of the 'Trouble Tree' and we don't have a next step'....

And part of this long story is it does not need the HPCM2 module replacement this time, or does it?

This is the sort of 'Trouble Shooting' you'd expect from a shade tree repair shop, NOT from the Manufacturer's Dealership repair shop.

I am not approving this $800 charge at the moment.
Especially if it does not fix the problem, I am still stuck with paying for this little experiment.

Is this really how it's done in this day and age of modern EV's????

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 Post subject: Re: First (and only) Failure @ 54k miles.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:34 am 
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NORTON wrote:
UPDATE:

It appears the state of the art trouble shooting is to tell the customer they want to 'Try' an airbag module replacement this time,
even though it is not part of the Power Train, it can take out the Power Train and they charge the customer $800 even if it does not fix the problem.

There is a 2 yr. warranty on this airbag module but the service manager is being cagey about if it goes bad immediately the next time the car is charge at a DCFC unit will it be covered.

And then if it goes bad what's the next part they want to throw at it.
They tell me 'This is at the top of the 'Trouble Tree' and we don't have a next step'....

And part of this long story is it does not need the HPCM2 module replacement this time, or does it?

This is the sort of 'Trouble Shooting' you'd expect from a shade tree repair shop, NOT from the Manufacturer's Dealership repair shop.

I am not approving this $800 charge at the moment.
Especially if it does not fix the problem, I am still stuck with paying for this little experiment.

Is this really how it's done in this day and age of modern EV's????

I would argue that a component not related to the propulsion system, like an airbag module that kills the car, should be covered under the electric propulsion warranty.


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