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 Post subject: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:03 pm 
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Location: Victoria, BC
Victoria is very EV friendly with 3 DC fast chargers (plus 66 or so public L2 chargers) around town and another every 50 km (31 miles) along the highway heading north (I live on an island).
The majority of EVs are Leafs & Teslas with a handful of Volts & Bolts (but I've seen almost every model available). The downside is that resale values are really high.
2015 Leafs are going for over $20K (~$16K USD). I don't want a Leaf personally and I would like to go full EV (so no Volt).
There are no Spark EVs for sale at the moment, but the EV dealership in town says they can bring one in from WA or OR for about $16K to $18K ($12.5K to $14K USD) so quite a bit more than what they seem to go for across the border (probably hefty markup).

My concern is that with used prices so high, it might be worth going new. We get a $5000 rebate at time of purchase as a government incentive, so I can get a 2019 Ioniq for ~$33K ($25.7K USD).
I'm concerned a new EV will be almost worthless after 5 years with new tech coming, so I should go used. Too bad used prices are really high here plus with battery degradation on a 2015 Spark EV what kind of range am I going to have in 3 or 4 years?
Sorry, I know lots of rambling and back and forth. Seems like a bad time to get an EV (on the cusp of many new models with added range) but I can't wait any longer (I've already waited 20 years!).


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:54 am 
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ComputerAbuser wrote:
Victoria is very EV friendly with 3 DC fast chargers (plus 66 or so public L2 chargers) around town and another every 50 km (31 miles) along the highway heading north (I live on an island).
The majority of EVs are Leafs & Teslas with a handful of Volts & Bolts (but I've seen almost every model available). The downside is that resale values are really high.
2015 Leafs are going for over $20K (~$16K USD). I don't want a Leaf personally and I would like to go full EV (so no Volt).
There are no Spark EVs for sale at the moment, but the EV dealership in town says they can bring one in from WA or OR for about $16K to $18K ($12.5K to $14K USD) so quite a bit more than what they seem to go for across the border (probably hefty markup).

My concern is that with used prices so high, it might be worth going new. We get a $5000 rebate at time of purchase as a government incentive, so I can get a 2019 Ioniq for ~$33K ($25.7K USD).
I'm concerned a new EV will be almost worthless after 5 years with new tech coming, so I should go used. Too bad used prices are really high here plus with battery degradation on a 2015 Spark EV what kind of range am I going to have in 3 or 4 years?
Sorry, I know lots of rambling and back and forth. Seems like a bad time to get an EV (on the cusp of many new models with added range) but I can't wait any longer (I've already waited 20 years!).

Somewhere on this forum is a post from a Spark EV driver in Canada who drove his Spark EV from Edmonton, Alberta to the Los Angeles, California area and he did this in the winter. See if you can find the post and contact him. He should be able to give you a real driver's evaluation of how the Spark EV does in the extreme climates found in Canada. The prices you quoted seem quite high to me. Also, you should find someone who can use TorquePro and an OBD Bluetooth adapter to measure the actual HV battery capacity of any Spark EV you may consider. Personally, I have concerns about the 2015 Spark EV as I experienced a sudden drop of 1.5 kWh in HV battery capacity in the 2015 Spark EV I leased and I know of others who have had a similar experience.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:12 pm 
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This site's search functionality is too f*cking stupid to allow you to search for Edmonton, since it is "too common". Sheesh.

So I went straight to google and found this thread : viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4720

The trip was almost 2 years ago !!


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:29 pm 
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SparkE wrote:
This site's search functionality is too f*cking stupid to allow you to search for Edmonton, since it is "too common". Sheesh.

So I went straight to google and found this thread : viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4720

The trip was almost 2 years ago !!

Yep! That is the one. Thanks for finding it. I tracked him to Bakersfield, CA and then lost him. I believe he should be able to answer any Spark EV questions ComputerAbuser might have.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:20 pm 
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Location: Victoria, BC
Sorry, I didn't get notified of replies.

I'm not too worried about the weather here. We have the best weather in Canada. It might snow once a year, but we often go the entire year without snow and rarely does it go below freezing. If it does, it's only a few degrees below early in the morning. The average winter temp is 5.0 °C (41 °F). I've ridden my motorcycle in December and January without issue (other than really cold hands).

We get a lot of rain in the winter, but about half what they get in Vancouver/Seattle. According to Wikipedia Victoria has a mild warm summer Mediterranean climate (Köppen Csb) with mild, rainy winters and cool, dry and sunny summers.

I think because of the favorable weather, there is a high demand for EVs which brings up the price of used models. I'm concerned about the value of a used Spark EV when I'm looking at $16.5K (~$12.7K USD) for a used 2015. I would jump all over a $9000 USD 2015 Spark. Somehow used 2015 Leafs go for over $20K ($15.4K USD) which blows my mind.

I can get a new Soul EV or Ionic Electric for around $32K ($24.6K USD) after rebate. About the same price for a new 2019 40kwh Leaf, but I'm not a fan of their setup.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:04 am 
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Well I have both an spark and a soul ev.

I'm in Vancouver. PM me

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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:40 am 
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JPL, I guess you could comment on the used market in your area? We have one EV dealership in Victoria, but as you can see the prices seem really high. I thought the resale on EVs was supposed to be terrible. Maybe it's just my area.

https://motorize.ca/inventory/

I contacted both Chevy dealerships to see if they have any leases coming back.


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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:06 pm 
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Buy one in the LA area and drive it home!!

At least one part of that plan is possible.

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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:21 pm 
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I got mine in Westwood honda.

Couldn't wait to have a vehicle. Paid as you are saying. Still paying.

If you have time to do the paperwork yourself, go to Seattle Craigslist and get one. You will save $ Warranty is valid in Mexico, the states and Canada.

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 Post subject: Re: Considering a Spark EV in Victoria, BC, Canada
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:29 pm 
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Ha funny, I just went and test drove a Spark EV tonight at Westwood (I'm visiting Vancouver for a couple days).

It's a 2015 with 18.6K km (11.6K mi). Originally listed for $17 500, then $16 900 and now $16 500 as of Oct 4th ($12,674.37 USD).

I like everything about it, but the color (silver). It's in good shape and I would hope the battery is still pretty good with only 11 600 miles on it.

I'm tempted to buy it tomorrow.


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