TheLondonBroiler
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Re: New Electrify America stations

Wed May 29, 2019 4:06 pm

MrDRMorgan wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 3:11 pm
Total cost was $4.43! That's $0.63 per kWh!! At 5.3 mi / kWh, my cost per mile is about $0.12. An ICE getting 25 mpg with gasoline costing $3.00 per gallon would cost..... you guessed it..... $0.12 per mile. Is an EV worth it?
Sad and true. It's even costlier with any other EV, being that the Spark is so efficient (4.5mi/kwh in my Bolt, vs 5.5mi/kwh average in my Spark). Those that have EVs WHEN (not if) gas goes higher will be rewarded.
2015 Spark EV w/ DCFC 46,XXX miles
Purchased 1/20/18 w/ 16,5XX miles
2019 Bolt EV w/ DCFC 6,XXX miles
Purchased 3/16/19 w/ 87 miles

MrDRMorgan
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Location: Manteca, California

Re: New Electrify America stations

Wed May 29, 2019 5:28 pm

TheLondonBroiler wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:06 pm
MrDRMorgan wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 3:11 pm
Total cost was $4.43! That's $0.63 per kWh!! At 5.3 mi / kWh, my cost per mile is about $0.12. An ICE getting 25 mpg with gasoline costing $3.00 per gallon would cost..... you guessed it..... $0.12 per mile. Is an EV worth it?
Sad and true. It's even costlier with any other EV, being that the Spark is so efficient (4.5mi/kwh in my Bolt, vs 5.5mi/kwh average in my Spark). Those that have EVs WHEN (not if) gas goes higher will be rewarded.
I am starting my 5th year of driving a Spark EV. My wife has one too. It is very difficult to find a better vehicle for driving around town and local communities. The availability of CCS DCFC charging locations makes it also possible to extend the driving range. However, there are many more locations to which we cannot drive because there are few, if any, CCS DCFC stations or we have to make way too many charging stops. In those cases we rent a highly efficient ICE like the Nissan Altima. For us, this has been working without any problems and we do not have to be paying for an expensive ICE which just sits in our driveway collecting dust. Note: we do have a 1999 Chevy Silverado pickup truck which has 187K miles on the ODO and which we would have no problem driving it across the USA and back.

In our area here in Central California, gasoline hit $5.00 before dropping back to around $4.00. That 25 gallon tank in our truck would eat up $100 to fill if gas was $4.00 per gallon. :D

I just totaled up my EVgo usage for May. I used 82.338 kWh at a total cost of $31.46. That equals $0.3821 per kWh. That is $0.25 per kWh less expensive than EA. :o

MrDRMorgan
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Re: New Electrify America stations

Thu May 30, 2019 5:52 pm

Have any of you Spark EV pilots been repeatedly successful in getting the CCS option on the Electrify America chargers to work? My first attempt to connect to two different chargers at the San Francisco Premium Outlets in Livermore, CA was NADA! A week later, my second attempt at a different location was Yes = 1 No = 1. Today I tried 3 different Electrify America chargers at the San Francisco Premium Outlets in Livermore, CA. Yes = 0, No = 3. I plugged in and used my VISA credit card to initiate payment. Payment was accepted and the car's display showed INITIALIZING. Then.... I was disconnected. Mighty frustrating to say the least! I have had 1 successful charging session in 7 attempts at two different locations. The fact that there were NO EVs charging at the EA chargers might be a clue. The EVgo DCFC stations at this same location were all in operation.

EVGO DCFC stations continue to work like a charm.

TheLondonBroiler
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Re: New Electrify America stations

Fri May 31, 2019 7:53 am

MrDRMorgan wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 5:52 pm
Mighty frustrating to say the least! I have had 1 successful charging session in 7 attempts at two different locations.
I will retry with mine when Charlotte, NC goes online. My one and only Spark visit summary (Fincastle, VA/Brugh's Mill Country Store): tried one dispenser, didn't work; tried next one, worked for 6 min, wouldn't restart; TRIED THREE OTHER STATIONS, none worked; retried the station that had worked, no dice; called tech support (1 hour on the phone, retried and reset 3 three of four stations), finally able to charge to full. Had it not restarted, I would have spent at least 3 hours at a level 2, because there weren't any dcfc for 100 miles.

My first stop with a Bolt in Henderson, NC (traveled from Richmond, VA): zero of four stations worked, having planned for this, I continued on my merry way to a GL station in Durham,NC. My last two stop ins, I used the "known working/non-problematic" dispenser mentioned on plugshare, and had zero problems.

Volkswagen (which EA is/essentially is a subsidiary) didn't want to build a charging network, they did to settle their horrific illegal activity. While I'm not happy with the functionality of their stations, as I've said before, it is getting MUCH better (see plugshare data). Fit a company that was just starting up, the results aren't really that bad. I think a better solution may have been to have forced VW to pay the same amount of money, but have allowed ChargePoint, EVGO, etc, to have bid to do the ultra fast charge network (they have more experience, essentially wouldn't be "starting from scratch."). Another possibility, instead of EA, it should have instead been VW branded, so they could take the deserved flack for their failures. What do I know? Hopefully it ends up like the interstate hwy system itself, a huge success, without which, travel would be much more of a headache.
2015 Spark EV w/ DCFC 46,XXX miles
Purchased 1/20/18 w/ 16,5XX miles
2019 Bolt EV w/ DCFC 6,XXX miles
Purchased 3/16/19 w/ 87 miles

MrDRMorgan
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Re: New Electrify America stations

Fri May 31, 2019 8:43 pm

TheLondonBroiler wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:53 am
MrDRMorgan wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 5:52 pm
Mighty frustrating to say the least! I have had 1 successful charging session in 7 attempts at two different locations.
I will retry with mine when Charlotte, NC goes online. My one and only Spark visit summary (Fincastle, VA/Brugh's Mill Country Store): tried one dispenser, didn't work; tried next one, worked for 6 min, wouldn't restart; TRIED THREE OTHER STATIONS, none worked; retried the station that had worked, no dice; called tech support (1 hour on the phone, retried and reset 3 three of four stations), finally able to charge to full. Had it not restarted, I would have spent at least 3 hours at a level 2, because there weren't any dcfc for 100 miles.

My first stop with a Bolt in Henderson, NC (traveled from Richmond, VA): zero of four stations worked, having planned for this, I continued on my merry way to a GL station in Durham,NC. My last two stop ins, I used the "known working/non-problematic" dispenser mentioned on plugshare, and had zero problems.

Volkswagen (which EA is/essentially is a subsidiary) didn't want to build a charging network, they did to settle their horrific illegal activity. While I'm not happy with the functionality of their stations, as I've said before, it is getting MUCH better (see plugshare data). Fit a company that was just starting up, the results aren't really that bad. I think a better solution may have been to have forced VW to pay the same amount of money, but have allowed ChargePoint, EVGO, etc, to have bid to do the ultra fast charge network (they have more experience, essentially wouldn't be "starting from scratch."). Another possibility, instead of EA, it should have instead been VW branded, so they could take the deserved flack for their failures. What do I know? Hopefully it ends up like the interstate hwy system itself, a huge success, without which, travel would be much more of a headache.
I spent 30 minutes on the phone yesterday trying to explain to a customer service representative what was happening. The customer service rep was pleasant and tried to help. She even told me the numbers of three of the EA chargers at the San Francisco Premium Outlets which had successful charging sessions. So..... today, on my way to Oakland, CA I stopped in to try them. None worked. I called customer support and they even tried to initiate a charging session from their end. Didn't work either. I gave up after 30 minutes and asked them to notify me when they think they found the problem and had it fixed. I went back to one of my favorite EVgo stations in the same shopping center and charged without a problem.

1 June 2019 - I have been getting calls from EA Customer Service - Blair - who is working hard to get this charging problem worked out. I have to give EA high marks for trying to figure out why my Spark EV will not charge at EA stations. There are also posts from Bolt drivers on the Bolt forum indicating they are having problems too. I plan to work together with EA to see if we can resolve this problem.

MrDRMorgan
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Re: New Electrify America stations

Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:48 am

I found two Electrify America 150 kw stations located in Laguna Village, Sacramento, CA that actually worked for my 2016 Spark EV. Yesterday, I tried an EA 150 kw station located at the San Francisco Premium Outlets in Livermore, CA. A Bolt was charging at a 350 kw station and it was working fine. The 150 kw station I tried accepted my payment, started the initialization process and then abruptly terminated the session. I have notified EA and will have to wait and see what they find. I charged at an EVgo station at the same location without any problems.

It was suggested by another EV driver that there may be a conflict between the CCS software in the Spark EV and the CCS software in the new EA charging stations. It may be helpful to share our EA charging experiences to see the impact to Spark EVs.

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