Battery Degradation vs Battery Limited Warranty

[SparkE]

PS: you can probably find a used Bolt with less than 35k miles near Portland for around $12k-$14k or so. Even with battery degradation (which is much less than on a Spark, maybe 5-10% after 3-4 years) you will have over 200 miles (summer) and over 150 miles (winter) of range. And it should last you for over 10 years, easily. You could use the Bolt for "medium distance" travel (?up to 350 miles, one DCFC session?), the Spark for "around town" (if you are a 2-car household), and rent a gasmobile those few times you drive 500 miles or more.

If you are only going to get $3000 for the Spark, why bother to sell it? Unless you only need one car. And you should be able to get more than $3k selling to an individual.

(An aside, I am rather disappointed at the decline of the "rent a wreck" business. I used to be able to rent a 5-year-old car for $10/day. Thank goodness there are sites like turo.com now, but it is still over $20/day. I always check for specials at the rental agencies, but ...)

[SparkE]

So after chatting with GM on my phone with texts, I set up another appointment with the dealership via a local Customer Experience Representative. The same shop manager told the rep there is no "capacity test" and if there is a problem the car will throw a code. My next call will be to the State Attorney General I think. Perhaps I can get some traction there. The battery capacity pencils out to 12.5 pretty consistently.

So, what ever happened with this ? Any resolution?

[zzzzzzzz]

Thanks SparkE. Yes, you have a lot of great advice there. I've tried to do most of things you've mentioned; asking invoice, pointing out the rebates and credits and discounts, trying to affirm the final price, but I think in the end the dealer just didn't want to sell the car badly enough. And the only reason I was pursuing on trading the car was because I did have a accident with it (thats a whole 'nother story), and rather then trying to fix it and sell it privately, I thought I would just trade it in. The damage isn't too noticeable unless you remove the front bumper.

So my appointment with the Chevrolet dealership I also decided to cancel, even though the service gal said this after I asked this:

"Just a question, would Chevrolet only service the main battery if it is actually below the 40% battery capacity limit and under the 8 year, 100k mile warranty? In other words, predicting based on the current trend going below 40% really wouldn't warrant servicing, is that correct?"

Their response: "We can perform that, the technician I was talking to regarding this mentioned it would be a prorated price. But GM would pay the majority."

Still not a warm and fuzzy, as I think someone here mentioned they don't really test capacity? I just let her know that I'll just continue to drive the car for the next year or so and if I truly do dip below 40%, then I would schedule the appointment.

[SparkE]

Still not a warm and fuzzy, as I think someone here mentioned they don't really test capacity? I just let her know that I'll just continue to drive the car for the next year or so and if I truly do dip below 40%, then I would schedule the appointment.

Frankly, I would drive it until it either (1) no longer met my needs, OR (2) was obviously well below the guaranteed capacity. i.e, not 59.7% but at {say} 55%. Or both.

The longer you wait, the longer you will have a higher capacity batter y when they "fix" it. I believe that they are NOT required to give you a new battery that will go back to 18 kWh, but only have to get you above the 60% threshold. So the more cells that are low, spread out over several different groups, the higher the possibility that you may get an entire battery pack replacement (although probably still not new).

PS: There's a (3) as well : buy a used Bolt for $13k. It should have (well) over 200 miles range in the summer and over 140 in the winter. You get a 'new' 8 year, 100k mile warranty (well, probably 5 year, 50k mile at time of purchase - by the time YOU get it). You either sell the Spark, or if you are a two-car household and can get by 350 days of the year with two EVs, maybe keep the Spark. You can rent a gas car for those long vacation trips or borrow a vehicle. What I do when I 'need' a car (I have a gasmobile, so not for trips - this is "need a pickup to move something") I simply trade cars with a neighbor or friend for the day or the weekend. I leave them my car (turned quite a few people on to EVs doing this, BTW) and take their truck.

[TheLondonBroiler]

I have a long list of things I do at car dealerships to (1) not get taken,

Very solid advice.

[NORTON]

I have a long list of things I do at car dealerships to (1) not get taken,

Very solid advice.

I 2nd it !