gra wrote:Well, since we both agree that it's superior to CHAdeMO and CCS, and only Tesla is in the same ballpark technically but can't hope to be on more than a tiny fraction of the number of PEVs that will have GB/T installed, maybe it should be the world standard, assuming you feel that such is required.
We aren't going to see a "world standard" for this in my lifetime, if ever. There's too many interests all competing, hence the CHAdeMO -v- CCS issue.
Most efficient, lowest cost, best... none of those issues will win the war. Actual chargers deployed and cars that can use and support those chargers will win.
Again, as I've mentioned eight billion times at least, having more than one competing public standard is silly. It does not gain market acceptance of EV's, and in fact hinders it.
Thanks. Let's check back in a year and see how the numbers have changed. Although I see no indication that CCS is moribund, given how quickly they're now starting to be installed in the U.S. and Europe now that cars that use them are available for sale. As of today, the U.S. numbers are 11 plus 4 known under construction (I suspect a lot more will be going in at other BMW dealers), and I have no idea how many cars are equipped to use it. With the i3 now being on sale and having sold 336 (almost all BEVs) last month, and the Spark having had it available since late December and having sold at least 551 since Jan. 1st, 150 seems low.
Absolutely, I'll keep the data updated for next year! Folks will quibble over whether 150 Spark EV's are too low, or become giddy with 336 BMW cars (not all of which will have the CCS receptacle), and completely overlook 3100 new Nissan LEAF's that just got registered on US roadways in May 2014.
Or the fact that not only are their only 10 (or 11, or 14, or 20, or whatever tiny number) of the CCS chargers in the USA, virtually ALL of them include a complementary CHAdeMO charger just a few feet away. Yes, of course GM and German car maker dealerships won't install CHAdeMO, neither will any Japanese auto maker dealerships install CCS.
As for Europe, CCS-2 seem to be springing up there as well: I count 14 sites total in Germany, The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Finland and Greece, and the four in the Netherlands all have two per site as does one in Germany.
I gave you 50, because I was too lazy to count. Also, like China with GB/T, Germany will only publically fund the "home team" CCS Combo2 solo within their country.
As to the problem of multiple standards, sure it's an issue, but hardly an insoluble one, I like this listing from Plugshare, for a hotel in Germany listing all their EVSEs/chargers: EV Plug (J1772), Quick Charge, Tesla HPWC (Roadster), Tesla HPWC (Model S), EV Plug (Type 2), EV Plug (Type 3), Wall Outlet (EuroPlug), SAE Combo. And here's a location in Norway:
EV Plug (J1772), Quick Charge, EV Plug (Type 2), EV Plug (Type 3), 4 Wall Outlet (EuroPlug)s, SAE Combo.
Yes, that will be reality for a generation. It is neither ideal, nor the goal. How many places will actually do that, knowing 90% (or even 100%) of those will be obsolete in a decade or two?
As to H2, your listing of stations in the U.S. currently is too high as there are only 9 public ones, although several more are due to open soon. And your listing of the number of cars is too low, as there are a couple of hundred in the U.S. alone (ignoring buses and other commercial vehicles). By next year the number of both stations and cars in California will jump considerably.
Again, not really trying to get the exact number on a changing game. There are a billion cars in the world (plus or minus some really huge number) equals 0.000003% are hydrogen.
Oh, I'm confident that as long as money... lots and lots of money (preferably tax payer kind) are flowing, we will have hydrogen stations for cars. I do not see that as a successful end game, and even Toyota has stated that they don't think they will pass up battery electric cars until 2030 (as if batteries will just stay 2014 year specification until then).
I predict when the dust settles in 50-100 years, hydrogen will be the go-to source for energy storage and heavy surface and sea transport. Electric cars will be the norm with inductive charging and autopilot type autonomous driving (with lots of Big Brother and NSA watching).
Contrary to many folks here, I do NOT own a LEAF.