LiLspark
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14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:27 pm

Man where do I begin?. I went from having a good experience for the first 11 months or so, but the last few months have been a game-changer. From no longer have a 110 outlet to charge and now the dealer limiting charging, As of recent mid 40s temperature and EXTREME RANGE LOSS. The naked farting elephant in the room nobody has addressed except for 1 YouTuber. Driving the car 1 mile resulted in 11 miles used driving 15 MPH!!! WHAT THE F$%^%^&*(. I'm seriously freaking out now because the reliability of this stupid car is compromised. If anyone is considering buying this car DONT!! save your pennies and dollars for something else. If Most of all EVs behave like this then I hate to say it but it's not worth driving an EV. I only have 24,900 miles on the car and it's a 2015 lt2. I don't use the heater or my heated seats I take the beating of the cold weather and yet im rewarded with range loss galore.

SparkE
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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:31 pm

LiLspark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:27 pm
Man where do I begin?. I went from having a good experience for the first 11 months or so, but the last few months have been a game-changer. From no longer have a 110 outlet to charge and now the dealer limiting charging, As of recent mid 40s temperature and EXTREME RANGE LOSS. The naked farting elephant in the room nobody has addressed except for 1 YouTuber. Driving the car 1 mile resulted in 11 miles used driving 15 MPH!!! WHAT THE F$%^%^&*(. I'm seriously freaking out now because the reliability of this stupid car is compromised. If anyone is considering buying this car DONT!! save your pennies and dollars for something else. If Most of all EVs behave like this then I hate to say it but it's not worth driving an EV. I only have 24,900 miles on the car and it's a 2015 lt2. I don't use the heater or my heated seats I take the beating of the cold weather and yet im rewarded with range loss galore.
Well, maybe you shouldn't expect that everybody has the same experience as you did? I haven't had any problems with EITHER of my SparkEVs (2016 that was crashed at 18K miles, and my current 2015 that currently has 18K miles as well. (Although I have read a poster here that saw a rather quick decline around 30K miles, on two 2015s).

I just have to point out a few obvious things. If you can't plug in where you live or work, buying an electric is a pretty stupid choice. (I have public L2 chargers available all over, but I live in Calif). If you live in a cold climate, buying an electric is not that smart either (you have to plan ahead and realize that you can lose 20-40% of battery capacity during the coldest months - but then I live in Calif, so I don't have much of a problem, I lose maybe 10-15%. And I *planned* for it, I did my research.) You also have to learn the difference between "percentage of battery full" and "estimated mileage based on current (and recent) conditions'. Guess what - a gasmobile gets poorer mileage when it is really cold too. And being able to leave the car plugged in overnight, and pre-warming the battery before leaving makes a big difference in "mileage" (per kWh). Again, don't buy an electric if you can't easily plug in. Duh.

So, pretty much you didn't bother doing enough research and are now unhappy. Well, yeah, you can get bit on the buttcheeks if you don't bother doing the appropriate research, in pretty much everything. Engineering, nutrition, child raising, education, gardening, ....

Ya live, ya learn. Get used to it. Maybe you have learned an important lesson from this?

SparkE
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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:54 pm

In fact, I tell my wife at least twice a month : just because it says 50 miles range (not fully charged) when you get in the car at 6 a.m. and the battery is at 45 degrees F, the car (battery) warms up and the mileage increases. Park in the sun during the winter. Sure you are only driving 40 miles - don't sweat it. It's *cold* outside and the battery is cold too. When you drive home in 3 hours and the battery has warmed up, you will get home with 30 miles or so. Don't sweat it.

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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:07 pm

LiLspark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:27 pm
Man where do I begin?. I went from having a good experience for the first 11 months or so, but the last few months have been a game-changer. From no longer have a 110 outlet to charge and now the dealer limiting charging, As of recent mid 40s temperature and EXTREME RANGE LOSS. The naked farting elephant in the room nobody has addressed except for 1 YouTuber. Driving the car 1 mile resulted in 11 miles used driving 15 MPH!!! WHAT THE F$%^%^&*(. I'm seriously freaking out now because the reliability of this stupid car is compromised. If anyone is considering buying this car DONT!! save your pennies and dollars for something else. If Most of all EVs behave like this then I hate to say it but it's not worth driving an EV. I only have 24,900 miles on the car and it's a 2015 lt2. I don't use the heater or my heated seats I take the beating of the cold weather and yet im rewarded with range loss galore.
Sorry to hear about your problem but, before you sacrifice Sparkie to the junk gods, check a few things.

First. Have you taken time to calculate or measure your current HV battery capacity? At 25K miles, I would expect it to be 15 kWh or higher. If it is much lower that 15, you may have a HV battery problem the dealer needs to look into.

Second. Cold weather in the 40s or lower will definitely affect your range - especially for very short trips and if the car has been sitting out in the cold all night. Longer trips will average out higher as the car warms up. It sounds like this may be your first experience driving Sparkie in temperatures in the 40s or lower. On cold mornings in the 40s I will see a significant drop in my mi/kWh which also impacts the GOM value on the display.

Just as a point of reference, I have been charging my 2014 Spark EV for almost 5 years using only the 120 VAC L1 EVSE that came with the car. My leased 2015 and my current 2016 Spark EVs were / are charged using a 240 VAC L2 EVSE in my garage or using a DCFC station. I see similar cold weather drops in these two cars too.

Suggestion: Give Sparkie a full charge, let it sit out in the cold over night and take it for a 10 - 15 mile drive while it is still cold outside. Keep an eye on the mi/ kWh reading on the display and make note of the changes. If you only see 2.0 mi / kWh and your HV battery capacity is 15 kWh, do the math. You have at best 30 miles of range before you call the tow truck. :)

Finally, you will continue to be range-challenged if you do not have or do not want to use DCFC quick charging stations in your immediate area.

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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:14 pm

That sucks, sorry. I can agree the range gauge gives me some anxiety. Not having a place to plug in and get the battery preconditioned in cold weather will kill the range in cold weather and cause some serious headaches in owning an EV with a small battery pack. Have you asked anyone if you could rent use of their outlet? Even if it's somewhere within walking distance. For us we only have 1 more month of cold weather before it's back to good weather. I'd say if you can stick it out just hang on until it's warm again or you can get access to an outlet. Also I would turn your seat heater on since it doesn't effect the main battery that much.
2016 Spark EV
2017 Volt

LiLspark
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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:51 pm

SparkE wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:31 pm
LiLspark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:27 pm
Man where do I begin?. I went from having a good experience for the first 11 months or so, but the last few months have been a game-changer. From no longer have a 110 outlet to charge and now the dealer limiting charging, As of recent mid 40s temperature and EXTREME RANGE LOSS. The naked farting elephant in the room nobody has addressed except for 1 YouTuber. Driving the car 1 mile resulted in 11 miles used driving 15 MPH!!! WHAT THE F$%^%^&*(. I'm seriously freaking out now because the reliability of this stupid car is compromised. If anyone is considering buying this car DONT!! save your pennies and dollars for something else. If Most of all EVs behave like this then I hate to say it but it's not worth driving an EV. I only have 24,900 miles on the car and it's a 2015 lt2. I don't use the heater or my heated seats I take the beating of the cold weather and yet im rewarded with range loss galore.
Well, maybe you shouldn't expect that everybody has the same experience as you did? I haven't had any problems with EITHER of my SparkEVs (2016 that was crashed at 18K miles, and my current 2015 that currently has 18K miles as well. (Although I have read a poster here that saw a rather quick decline around 30K miles, on two 2015s).

I just have to point out a few obvious things. If you can't plug in where you live or work, buying an electric is a pretty stupid choice. (I have public L2 chargers available all over, but I live in Calif). If you live in a cold climate, buying an electric is not that smart either (you have to plan ahead and realize that you can lose 20-40% of battery capacity during the coldest months - but then I live in Calif, so I don't have much of a problem, I lose maybe 10-15%. And I *planned* for it, I did my research.) You also have to learn the difference between "percentage of battery full" and "estimated mileage based on current (and recent) conditions'. Guess what - a gasmobile gets poorer mileage when it is really cold too. And being able to leave the car plugged in overnight, and pre-warming the battery before leaving makes a big difference in "mileage" (per kWh). Again, don't buy an electric if you can't easily plug in. Duh.

So, pretty much you didn't bother doing enough research and are now unhappy. Well, yeah, you can get bit on the buttcheeks if you don't bother doing the appropriate research, in pretty much everything. Engineering, nutrition, child raising, education, gardening, ....

Ya live, ya learn. Get used to it. Maybe you have learned an important lesson from this?

well after living at a place for 6+ years and then being kicked out by a racist landlord I never planned on that happening. I had a 2nd gen volt for 36 months and had no problem charging that and the spark for the first 8 months ownership. when I had a 110v outlet. I live in orange county so its California and it acts like im at sub zero temps. There is no PRE WARM PRE Condition nothing on this dumb car. it's lacking finding a place with a garage and paying an extra fee for EV charging the car is laughable. I hope gm has some kind of warranty on the 8 year or 36k mile thing they have. Research was done well in advance before giving up the 2nd gen volt. im curious how a prius prime is now.

LiLspark
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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:55 pm

Kermit wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:14 pm
That sucks, sorry. I can agree the range gauge gives me some anxiety. Not having a place to plug in and get the battery preconditioned in cold weather will kill the range in cold weather and cause some serious headaches in owning an EV with a small battery pack. Have you asked anyone if you could rent use of their outlet? Even if it's somewhere within walking distance. For us we only have 1 more month of cold weather before it's back to good weather. I'd say if you can stick it out just hang on until it's warm again or you can get access to an outlet. Also I would turn your seat heater on since it doesn't effect the main battery that much.
Hi thanks for feeling my pain.. the place where i moved to im on a waiting list for a garage... and i have no clue when that will be. the dealer put we will tow your car at your expense sign and no overnight parking.. so it literally pray I find a spot to charge and walk home and walk back to pick up the car. the charging infrastructure is so prehistoric in so cal :( its just freaking sad!. I can't even find a decent project to build an L2 portable solar generator. it just wouldn't work without costing 4k and the size of a backyard lol won't fit in a carport :( I just pray the weather comes back to global warming temps :)

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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:27 am

LiLspark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:27 pm
... From no longer have a 110 outlet to charge and now the dealer limiting charging,
... nobody has addressed except for 1 YouTuber.
...Driving the car 1 mile resulted in 11 miles used driving 15 MPH!!!
.... because the reliability of this stupid car is compromised.
... I don't use the heater or my heated seats I take the beating of the cold weather and yet im rewarded with range loss galore.
>Are you saying you can't plug in at home? And you own an EV?

>Youtubers are a serious source of info?

>If the car was not plugged in and you started it up in Cold Conditions, it is using max power to the TMS to warm that battery pack, as designed.
The energy usage can be viewed on the energy 'leaf' page. It probably showed more 'Battery Conditioning' than 'Drive Power' for that drive you described.
The Guess-O-Meter is not a measurement of power used, the energy page shows that in kWh. That's how EV's display and/or guess at things.

>I think you mean 'range' is compromised, not reliability.

>If you plug in overnight and during cold weather, use Cabin Preconditioning and all the seat heat and cabin heat you want,, you'll enjoy this car a lot more. No need to suffer. 8-)

Mine works great in much colder conditions than you are experiencing,,,,, I'll bet... :cry:
But then, I plug in at home and at work during the 'Dead of Winter'.
In the warm weather, I only plug in once a day at a Free Public L2. ~50 mile round trip. Life is good! This chitty little EV suits my needs perfectly!
Used '14 2LT w/ DCFC. +78 K miles.
Mostly free charging! Only one LONG visit to the shop....
GM needs Modern Troubleshooting tools for Modern EV's.
3 step Trouble Tree, 1st try car died again, 2nd try not covered / cost $800. 3rd try fixed the problem.

MrDRMorgan
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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:03 am

LiLspark wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:55 pm
Kermit wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:14 pm
That sucks, sorry. I can agree the range gauge gives me some anxiety. Not having a place to plug in and get the battery preconditioned in cold weather will kill the range in cold weather and cause some serious headaches in owning an EV with a small battery pack. Have you asked anyone if you could rent use of their outlet? Even if it's somewhere within walking distance. For us we only have 1 more month of cold weather before it's back to good weather. I'd say if you can stick it out just hang on until it's warm again or you can get access to an outlet. Also I would turn your seat heater on since it doesn't effect the main battery that much.
Hi thanks for feeling my pain.. the place where i moved to im on a waiting list for a garage... and i have no clue when that will be. the dealer put we will tow your car at your expense sign and no overnight parking.. so it literally pray I find a spot to charge and walk home and walk back to pick up the car. the charging infrastructure is so prehistoric in so cal :( its just freaking sad!. I can't even find a decent project to build an L2 portable solar generator. it just wouldn't work without costing 4k and the size of a backyard lol won't fit in a carport :( I just pray the weather comes back to global warming temps :)
What part of So. Cal are you in? Are you using PlugShare to locate potential L2 charging locations near you? If not, log onto plugshare.com and sign up. It is free and is invaluable in finding charging locations to fit your needs. you can set the filter for J-1772 locations. I would also suggest you set the filter for all vendors, especially ChargePoint, EVgo and Electrify America. I tried it and So Cal looks to be covered with J-1772 locations. You should be able to find one near your location but do not expect it to be free.

SparkE
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Re: 14 months of ownership starting to regret Owning a sparkev

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:53 pm

You can also set plugshare to show you "residential locations" - these are basically spots that *homeowners* with EVs have said "hey, if you're stuck, you can plug in at my place for a while". There may be several in/around your neighborhood that would accomadate you. ("Hey, my arsebite landlord kicked me out after 6 years and I now have no place to overnight charge. Can you help me maybe once a week?") If you find 3-4 people who will let you charge at their house once a week ... And I highly recommend trying to "carpool" : either offerring to drive someone who will let you park at their place overnight, OR driving to their place and leaving your car there (plugged in).

It turns out that there are quite a few nice people in the world. There were a few guys up here (one in Palo Alto, another in Martinez, one just south of Santa Cruz) that basically said "I put in way too much solar, and now PG&E is pretty much screwing me because they changed the rules and I am getting paid almost nothing for my electricity. Call me. I'd rather that you charge for free than I "sell" my kWh to PG&E for a few cents per kWh." They installed a L2 either out on the sidewalk, or outside next to their garage for people to use.

I see LOTS of homeowners charging EVs in my neighborhood - all you would have to do would be to politely ask if you could pay to use somebody's plug who lives down the street.

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