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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:51 pm

SparkE wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:15 pm

But it comes down to : does the car meet your needs? Does it barely meet you needs today?

You might get a new battery out of the deal. $4K for a Spark EV is really cheap (IMO). Especially if you can get a refurbished (or new) battery replacement under warranty.[/i]
Emphasis on MIGHT. Although I seem to remember owners getting new packs, the warranty states that bringing it back up to 65% capacity is all that's required. EPA rated range is 82 miles (which is definitely conservative in good conditions), 65% is 53 miles.
NickSP wrote: I'm thinking if I can get even 70 mile range I'm good.
Will the Spark be your only vehicle? If the answer is yes, I wouldn't recommend the purchase. With no DCFC and slow 3.3kw AC charging, if you want to drive more, you'll need to keep a supply of snickers bars, because it's going to be a while.

I was fortunate that the folks on the IMIEV forum were blunt with me. They more or less told me that I'd hate my life having to stop to charge at some point on my commute everyday or have daily range anxiety because I had no at work charge capability and my commute distance was the same as the EPA range. They were right.

I bought a Spark before not insignificant battery degradation was becoming apparent. Had I known what I know now, I'd have bought a Volt, or kept driving my gasser and saved my pennies for a Model Y, Cyber Truck, RAV4 prime, or something else. I like more people driving pure EVs, but you should buy what's going to be most sensible for you.

(Edited to change incorrect wording due to swipe input)
2015 Spark EV w/ DCFC 46,XXX miles
Purchased 1/20/18 w/ 16,5XX miles
0-40k mile efficiency avg - 5.3 mi/kwh

2019 Bolt EV w/ DCFC 61,XXX miles
Purchased 3/16/19 w/ 87 miles
Lifetime efficiency avg - 4.6 mi/kwh

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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:13 am

Thanks to all your excellent replies. Great input. I would have been comfortable with a range drop of 70 miles or so. My BMW i3 was rated similarly. My daily commute is only 40 miles and I have level 2 charging at home.
But, not having DCFS was a deal breaker. I've taken my i3 Rex on EV alone to San Diego by charging half way.
Also thanks for letting me know that the 150K Warranty only applies to hybrids.

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Re: Want to buy a Spark EV with 96K miles. Bad idea?

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:15 am

NickSP wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:13 am
{...} Also thanks for letting me know that the 150K Warranty only applies to hybrids.
OK, I located a post I made a while ago about this :

I spent a little time googling it a year or so ago, and the CA law (well, technically it is a regulation) that requires a battery warranty of 10 years/150K miles is for hybrids (plug-in or not) if the vendor wants it to be classified as a PZEV (and thus help the vendor meet its CA requirements of fleet mileage and ZEV percentages). I believe the idea was that the battery was considered part of the "emission control system" (since it allows lower emissions). It is in CCR §1962 ("Zero-Emission Vehicle Standards for 2005 through 2008 Model Year Passenger Cars, Light-Duty Trucks, and Medium-Duty Vehicles."), specifically 1962(c)(2)(D) ("Partial ZEV Allowance Vehicles (PZEVs).", Extended Warranty)

Battery electric vehicles aren't classified as PZEVs, they are classified as ZEVs , so the battery warranty requirement for PZEVs doesn't apply.

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